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TOPIC: (10/5/09) Today in court - Judge Carter seems to be singing a different tune.


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(10/5/09) Today in court - Judge Carter seems to be singing a different tune.
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This is hearsay from someone who was in court today in Santa Ana, California:
The report is not good.  It was reported to us that Judge Carter (acted) like a completely different person.
It appears that 'they' got to Judge Carter - no surprise there, he said that he was passing this case off to another judge, etc. without stating a clear reason. Basically, he said, "I have the right to have another judge make this decision, so I'm doing just that" (not his exact words).
Remember this is hearsay, we were not there, but one thing that did sound positive is that Judge Carter mentioned something about letting discovery happen - which means that he is going to allow (Orly, etc.) to present items that will be put into evidence, before he passes off this case, such as the Kenyan birth certificate, and asking for school records, etc.
If this is true, this evidence will stay with the case through appeals, etc.

I can't imagine any judge taking on anything against this fraud. There are so many ways for these liars and crooks to control, deter, force, threaten and pay-off these judges.

WE have to keep talking about his lack of eligibility, so that the american people can become informed and start questioning 'the fraud's' loyalty to our country.


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Here is the article from WND, which is different from what I was told today from someone who was inside the court room:

BORN IN THE USA?
Obama eligibility case survives 1st court test
Judge hears arguments, refuses immediate dismissal demand
Posted: October 05, 2009
4:29 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

 

A federal judge in California today listened to government lawyers argue that a lawsuit over President Obama's eligibility should be immediately dismissed but refused to grant their request, saying he would make his decision and announce it later.

The result came this morning from U.S. District Judge David Carter, who already has set a tentative trial date for the dispute Jan. 26, 2010.  The judge also already had lawyers draw up a tentative schedule for hearings and deadlines in preparation for the trial.

WND previously reported on plans for the hearing handled by attorneys Orly Taitz and Gary Kreep, each representing separate clients.

The lawsuit was brought by several political candidates and party officials, including former U.S. ambassador Alan Keyes and Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson of the American Independent Party.

They are suing Obama alleging he is not eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution's requirement for a "natural born" citizen in the Oval Office. Forty-six of the plaintiffs are represented by Taitz, who has worked on a multitude of lawsuits over Obama's eligibility, and two – Drake and Robinson – are represented by Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation.

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Kreep told WND after the hearing it appeared to him the judge was expecting answers and failed to get them from government attorneys during the hearing.

"He was asking the [Department of Justice] to explain impeachment. If he really was [legitimately president], how would that work."

Kreep said he argued impeachment wasn't relevant, since "you have to have a valid, elected president." He said a court hearing with full disclosure of evidence is required, since the impeachment provision wouldn't technically apply to someone who never was qualified to be president.

Taitz was contacted by WND but declined to comment on today's hearing.

But Kreep said he argued that a simple numbers formula also doesn't apply. Many of the government arguments have noted the candidates who are plaintiffs, such as Keyes, did not have a reasonable mathematical probability of winning the presidential election.

That assertion is not relevant, Kreep said he argued. Had Obama's ineligibility been publicized before the election, Hillary Clinton likely would have become the nominee, and she might have been vulnerable to other candidates, he said.

Carter's order that no discovery of evidence will be allowed until his decision was continued today.

Lawyers representing Obama in the case claim "no single federal district court has the power to declare that a sitting president is not fit or qualified to occupy the office, and is, therefore, not a legitimate president."

The attorneys have argued the election process and Constitution allow only Congress to examine the credentials of a presidential candidate, and in any event, that opportunity is long gone.

They have argued, "Plaintiffs simply are not the proper parties to challenge President Obama's qualifications or fitness for office and this court is not the proper forum to decide this issue."

The plaintiffs, however, have argued on behalf of their "real, tangible injuries" from Obama's placement in the White House. If he is not eligible, "they have been denied a free and fair election."

They have suggested the simplest resolution is to put Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other government officials under oath and question them about Obama's birth and birth records.

They also have indicated plans to ask, if given permission by the court, for copies of Hawaiian records regarding Obama's birth, Washington state records regarding him and his mother, his Harvard Law School records, passport records and a long list of other documents.

According to Sept. 25 court documents the DOJ filed in response to Kreep's opposition to dismissal, the DOJ states, "The arguments made by these plaintiffs, in large measure, completely ignore the fact that Barack Obama is the president of the United States and seek to treat him as simply a candidate for office. Try as they might, plaintiffs cannot conceal the fact that what they are really seeking in this case is nothing less than a determination by this United States District Court that President Obama should be removed from office. The preposterous nature of this assertion is readily apparent. No single United States District Court has the power to try the question of whether a sitting president of the United States should be allowed to remain in office."

Kreep has requested immediate access to Obama's records, such as his original long-form birth certificate and his Occidental College records. The plaintiffs' suspicion is that those records would undermine the president's statements that he is a "natural born" citizen, which could disqualify him. For example, an original birth certificate could indicate it was a "delayed" filing, which could open the door for a birth location outside the United States.

Likewise, the Occidental College records could be significant if Obama attended on a program for foreign students or represented himself as a foreign student at the time.

The DOJ also filed a separate response to Taitz' opposition to dismissal Sept. 25, stating, "Much of the opposition filed by these plaintiffs is a disjointed polemic, completely devoid of citation to any case or statutory authority. Defendants will not waste the court's time, or that of undersigned counsel by seeking to respond to the many irrelevant statements and references made therein."

Both Taitz and Kreep have expressed significant differences of opinion in how the case should be handled. Should the lawsuit proceed, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been heard in open court.

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums probably exceeding $1 million to avoid releasing an original long-form state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

WND also has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport,medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.



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Thanks so much for reporting on this, Destiny.  There's one particular point I'd like to address:

"[Obama's] attorneys have argued the election process and Constitution allow only Congress to examine the credentials of a presidential candidate, and in any event, that opportunity is long gone."

That might be a legitimate argument, if Cheney had not failed to ask for any objections when the electoral votes were counted.  He bypassed the law and DIDN'T ask if there were any objections, so the Obama attorneys' argument above is moot, as far as I know.



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Here is another article.

No decision for birthers on proof of Obama's citizenship

October 5, 3:57 PMgreydot.gifSan Diego County Political Buzz Examinergreydot.gifKimberly Dvorak
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In a Santa Ana, California Federal Court today, Judge David Carter put off ruling on President Obama’s birth certificate. At the end of the two-hour hearing there was no ruling on the Motion to Dismiss or the plaintiff’s bid to grant discovery leaving only a glimmer of hope this case will move forward.

The plaintiff’s and their supporters were understandably disappointed. “The powers that be must have got to the judge,” says Neil Turner, who attended the hearing. “It’s just more of the same.”

Judge Carter cited the need to sort out all the complex legal issues and consider all the arguments carefully before he was prepared to render his decision.

The plaintiff’s attorney, Gary Kreep, argued the case does not involve impeachment because they claim Obama has entered into office unlawfully which should make this ruling easier.

The court is now in recess until the Judge Carter makes his decision. The case could take 24-hours to 24 months to come to a conclusion.

Today’s lack of finality has sent some birthers to seek their justice in a criminal court room. “We are not going away and will not stop until we have the truth,” Turner finished.

TO READ THE COMMENTS - CLICK HERE:

http://www.examiner.com/x-10317-San-Diego-County-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m10d5-No-dicision-for-birthers-on-proof-of-Obamas-citizenship



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