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TOPIC: Media Mischief, the Obama Eligibility Issue and the “Dispositive Fact” (Australia News 7/26/09)


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Media Mischief, the Obama Eligibility Issue and the “Dispositive Fact” (Australia News 7/26/09)
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Last week, the media was forced into reporting on the Obama birth-certificate/eligibility issue.  It had little choice because respected CNN Journalist Lou Dobbs had the audacity to suggest that Obama should produce his long-form birth certificate to put to rest the doubts of millions of Americans who believe Obama is not constitutionally eligible to serve as President.  Immediately and predictably, much of the reporting from the main stream media was in the form of vicious attacks, seeking to discredit Mr. Dobbs and others looking for clear and convincing evidence that Mr. Obama is or is not a “Natural Born Citizen” entitling him to serve as President of the United States.  Left-wing bloggers and those in the media who have been carry Obama’s water this past year circled the wagons, and calls that Lou Dobbs be fired rang out. I have to salute Lou Dobbs for his courage and sense of ethical responsibility in addressing this issue at all. Of all the CNN commentators, Lou Dobbs is the one who consistently tries to be fair to all sides

Yesterday, the Los Angeles Times reported that “CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers at the cable news network Thursday night that the supposed controversy regarding the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead” story.”  The article went on to report:

…The website TVNewser reported today that Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air, informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001. A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported. The shorter Certificate of Live Birth noting Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, that has been made public is the official record.

“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote, according to TVNewser. “Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead -- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef.”…

Whether or not the assertion that Obama’s long form birth certificate has been destroyed is true, the action by Mr. Klein was clearly intended to get Lou Dobbs to stop rocking the boat and move on.

It seems to me that if the facts are as Mr. Klein says, serious reporters and investigators would be turning over every stone to try to find the truth.  Serious reporters would be going to Kenya; talking to administrators, faculty, and students at all the colleges Obama attended to discover if he talked about his birthplace, applied/registered as a foreign student or received aid as a foreign student; they'd be looking at his past travel and what passports he carried; and they would be seeking the information provided on Obama's Illinois Bar Application.  One would think that an innocent person sitting in the Oval Office would quickly provide all information necessary to put to bed this troubling “eligibility issue”. Obama has not. (George Bush or Bill Clinton would have, I’m sure.) In fact, Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars (some say 1 to 2 million) trying to keep the past hidden. Thank you, Lou Dobbs, for having the courage to ask the simple question - Where's the Birth Certificate?

I seriously long for the good old days, when if a reporter or CNN President said something, there was a better than 50% chance it was true.  Unfortunately, regarding the “birth certificate issue” most reporters today are intentionally misstating the facts.  In many of today’s news stories, the headline or body of the story will say something like "birthers don't believe Obama is a Citizen” or “of course Obama is a Citizen” or “Lou Dobbs believes Obama is a Citizen”.  Such statements are intentionally misleading and are included to portray those asking questions as ridiculous tin-foil hat wearing fools. As Mr. Dobbs has quickly learned, there is a price to be paid for asking questions that might impugn the Obama narrative.

It seems the media is reading from the same playbook. They have somehow decided that if they can blur the meanings of terms “Citizen” and “Natural Born Citizen”, the general public will not look deeply into the issue because the answer is so obvious, and it will go away.  I guess they hope that any time the issue comes up in conversation there will be a knee jerk reaction causing someone to say: That’s stupid, of course Obama is a Citizen, only a fool would think such a thing. 

Ridicule is effective, but it won’t deter those who have seriously looked at the allegations and the “common sense” circumstances that compel further inquiry.  Why has Obama not provided his school records, Illinois bar application, long-form birth certificate, passport information, etc., if he doesn’t have anything to hide?  Why has he spent such enormous sums of money on lawyers to keep these documents hidden?  Common sense says there’s something here.  Common sense also says that if these allegations are true, this would be biggest fraud perpetrated against America in her history.

The media playbook conveys the understanding that it’s important to blur the definitions of Citizen and Natural Born Citizen because it goes to heart of the matter, the legal and common sense notions of “dispositive facts”.  If this is true, then everything else is false or doesn’t matter. Period!  Then anyone who raises such questions is a fool. Obama is a Citizen and of course he is eligible is what the media wants people to believe.  This is pure media mischief, dishonesty, and treachery through and through.

Here’s what people need to know. Even accepting as “fact” that Obama is a Citizen of the United States, it is not a “dispositive fact” that would determine the outcome of the “eligibility issue”.  There are many ways to become an American “Citizen”.  How one acquires “Natural Born Citizen” status is determined solely by the Constitution of the United States.  “Citizen” and “Natural Born Citizen” are NOT synonymous terms. It is the Law (Constitutionally required) that every person holding the Office of President must meet the "Natural Born Citizen" test, which was meant to provide an added measure of presumed allegiance to the United States and her Constitution.  (For example: We would not want an arsonist to be able to become a fireman. If a person does not have a clean record regarding arson, he or she should not be allowed to be a fireman.  It’s not a guarantee that a fireman with no criminal record of arson is not an arsonist, but it’s a step that gives an added measure security.) As Obama says, “let me be clear”, one can be a Citizen and NOT be a "Natural Born Citizen." 

The flip side of this coin - if Obama is found not to be a "Natural Born Citizen", it would be the "dispositive fact" that would determine the outcome of the “eligibility issue”. Obama could not be President.

So, which type of “Citizen” is Obama?  Real reporters would be turning over heaven and earth to find out.  The American reporters are turning over heaven and earth to cover it up.

Dispositive Fact - Jural facts, or those acts or events that create, modify or extinguish jural relations. Black's Law Dictionary 5th Edition

Is Obama a “Natural Born Citizen”? It is the one question that must be answered. 

There is no middle ground.  If Obama cannot serve as Office of the President of the United States, then all appointments (Holder, Sotomayor, Czars, etc.) made by Obama are invalid; as well as any laws, acts or treaties entered into.  If Obama cannot lawfully hold the Office of the President of the United States, all “orders” issued to the United States Military are "unlawful orders".  This last point is why I am so thankful that it appears that Dr. Orly Taitz's eligibility case will be heard on the merits. Every soldier has a legal responsibility to  follow only orders that are "lawful".  Given that burden, every soldier must have a right to be certain of Obama’s authority.

When I look at what Obama has done, is doing and/or proposing regarding Obamanomics, ObamaCare, taking over the auto industry, taking over banks, corrupting Inspector Generals’ independence, the unwillingness to audit the Fed., his unjust treatment of Inspector General Walpin, his lack of transparency, his appointment of an army of Czars circumventing Congress, his appoint to the Supreme Court, his appointment to head Science, Gitmo, abortion, eugenics, trans-nationalist ideologies, trampling on State’s rights guaranteed under the 10th Amendment, his assault on the Second Amendment, Homeland Security looking at returning Veterans as Terrorists, ACORN, national security, the Census, his treatment of the Cambridge police, and Cap & Tax; it sure looks to me like an arsonist trying to burn up the Constitution of the United States and replace it with some sort of Socialist manifesto.  

If Obama is going to cause the destruction of America and Israel, I at least want to know that he was constitutionally empowered as a “Natural Born Citizen” serving as President of the United States to destroy us.  I hate to think all this could have been prevented by some state official somewhere doing their job and asking to see proof that Obama was eligible to run for office.

http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12881:media-mischief-the-obama-eligibility-issue-and-the-dispositive-fact-&catid=71:world-news&Itemid=201



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First of all, my understanding is that only Congress can legally ask to see his records.  And, they will never ask.  The media and every politician will never ask to see his records.
The fraud is making the media and the politicians rich.  They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

In fact, per Homeland Security, talking against the president is now a part of their terrorist list and is considered against the law.

I listened to Lou Dobbs regarding the fraud's BC on his radio show last week and he played 'dumb'.  It sounded like he had been in a coma, because he claimed that he didn't hear a thing about people asking for his BC.  Also, he took the side of each caller.  A caller said, "obama wouldn't have gotten this far if he wasn't eligible - these Republicans are bitter because their guy didn't win".  And, Lou Dobbs agreed.  Next caller, "we are just asking to see a long-form BC with signatures, etc." And, Lou Dobbs said, "makes sense to me".

Clearly, Lou Dobbs was sitting on the fence because he knows his job would be in jeopardy and he certainly doesn't want to lose his house in the Hamptons. 


We must keep this issue alive.
We need to inform people that the constitution does matter because our rights are attached to that document.

Pass along this youtube of Drinking with Bob (I asked him to do a rant on the BC issue and he kindly responded with a, "yes").
Remember he is loud so turn down your sound.
Also, he is a comic, a cross between  Denis Leary and Lewis Black.
Check out the date he posted this Youtube - October 16, 2008

Is Barack Obama a U.S. citizen...


P.S. I emailed this Youtube to every tv station, radio station, newspaper, 
magazine, to Congress members, Senators, John McCain, Sarah Palin, Hillary 
and Bill Clinton, the DNC, the RNC, and to hundreds of his supporters.  

Everyone knows about this, everyone.
 


-- Edited by Destiny on Monday 27th of July 2009 12:37:46 AM

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I am not a "birther" but all this protesting and whining by the Administration is making me question his actions. If there is nothing there then why keep explaining it.  I also do not like the way "birthers" are insane and blah blah blah I may not agree with them on this issue but most "birthers" are nice people who are not crazy.  I actually agree with them that all Presidents should have to show their birth certifitic especially since there is a  requirement that they be an US Citizen.
Birth Cert. threads can be posted here right now in the Obama forum;
I would like to hear from the folks working on the Birth Cert. issue to let me know if they want a seperate forum.  This forum will not silence you on this issue.


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HMG, you mean a separate sub-forum area here?

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Sanders wrote:

HMG, you mean a separate sub-forum area here?




 yes but here on the main board. This forum board allows a lot of little forums. Say if Obama forum gets to big then I would create a separate forum. I kind of did this on the spear of the moment and I really want input from the members I don't want anyone silenced.



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Hillarysmygirl16 wrote:

I am not a "birther" but all this protesting and whining by the Administration is making me question his actions. If there is nothing there then why keep explaining it.  I also do not like the way "birthers" are insane and blah blah blah I may not agree with them on this issue but most "birthers" are nice people who are not crazy.  I actually agree with them that all Presidents should have to show their birth certifitic especially since there is a  requirement that they be an US Citizen.
Birth Cert. threads can be posted here right now in the Obama forum;
I would like to hear from the folks working on the Birth Cert. issue to let me know if they want a seperate forum.  This forum will not silence you on this issue.



I'm with you, HMG--the phrase "me thinks thou does protest too much" comes to mind.  Why are they spending the money to defend him, when they could just show the BC?  Kind of suspicious.....

 



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