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Jen the Michigander


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http://www.nationalbcc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1095:when-will-hillary-make-her-move&catid=63:beyond-the-rhetoric&Itemid=8

Common logic is that Hillary Clinton, US Secretary of State and former First Lady, will once again run for the presidency in 2016. After all, that would follow current President Barack Obama assuming he will win another term in 2012. In 2012 Secretary Clinton will be 65 years old. That is significantly younger than the 69 she will be in 2016. Furthermore if President Obama fails in his reelection she would be facing a tough incumbent in 2016 and the chances of losing become far greater than succeeding someone of your own party.

Make no mistake Secretary Clinton is a terribly competitive politician with ambition that exceeds the skies. Once decided she will relentlessly pursue the Presidency and her ever politically astute husband, former President Bill Clinton, will be right at her side along with an army of veterans from his former administration. Many of these veterans now work for the Obama administration but I am sure that many are growing wary of the very negative and nonproductive atmosphere right now. Given the signal many will be more than happy to jump ship. In fact, some may be laying acts of sabotage to push along this possibility.

Hmmmm... Sounds like something I will enjoy, if it happens.

President Obama is losing his base. The very strong independent segment of support is evaporating with each gaffe. The economy is not improving and may even dip once again. This alone will lose much of the independent block he enjoyed in election 2008. Hispanic voters are now less than excited about this presidency as nothing constructive in terms of their direct issues is happening. This group has always been bi-partisan and has no problem going to the right if it appears that it is in their best interests. Then there is the Black segment of voters who still unwaveringly support President Obama solely based on the 50% of Black blood in his body.


96% of Black voters still support President Obama even though they are getting very little for that support. 1% of the Stimulus Bill; remaining high incarcerations of young Blacks versus other groups; Black farmers are once again bamboozled; largesse programs that will bust our debt and continue to increase the deficit to the detriment of lower income citizens and on and on. Times have not improved for Blacks and sooner or later that support bubble is going to burst and the President’s unwavering Black loyalty will start to wither away.

The Clinton Administration was strong on outreach to Black Americans. There were key people who were always engaged in our communities. The Obama Administration is anything but Black. Yes the first Black President is basically doing a white thing at the White House – so odd. Recently, the debacle on Civil Rights Activist Shirley Sherrod who was disgraced for no reason and pummeled by the Obama Administration with false charges was an indication of the naiveté this administration has when it comes to blackness. It was awful the way they bludgeoned this fine Black woman from Georgia based on the lies of a right wing zealot. Don’t they consider the source on these matters? The Obama Administration seems to run from race as opposed to taking a leadership role.

Bill and Hillary are certainly analyzing all of this. Their blind ambition sooner or later is going to kick in and they are going to seize the moment to the detriment of Obama’s tenure. There is no feud like a family feud and it is starting to form. Hillary was on her way in 2008 until this young ****y mulatto from Illinois upset the stage. She still burns from that setback and will be ever relentless the next time she jumps in and she is going to jump in.

When will that be? Here is my guess: Hillary will announce her resignation from Secretary of State in spring of 2011. She will announce her candidacy by June 2011 and will begin assembling an awesome army of supporters and donors to the detriment of the Obama camp. She will attempt to hurt Obama’s chances and hurt them real bad. Then she will pick up the democratic pieces and charge on. An opportunist will certainly seize a great opportunity.


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I don't like the descriptions of Bill and Hillary -"blind ambition", "ambition that exceeds the skies" "opportunists" For a group that doesn't seem to care for Barack, those are pretty harsh words for the real "first black president" (meaning Big Dawg - of course) coming from the Black Chamber of Commerce. Although their web site says they're "non-partisan", this article would indicate that they are primarily, Pubs. They certainly don't Obama or the Clintons in a very positive light.

I really wish people who refer to Hillary's "ambition", meaning it as an insult, would have the courage and decency to say why they characterize her in this way. While I don't doubt that Hillary's ambitious, in fact, I certainly hope she is, Hillary has been the ultimate team player. She campaigned for that POS for potus traveling and speaking way more than he did - in the end. She has done her job, both as NY Senator and as SOS with humility, dignity, expecting no personal exceptions or extras. Please! No damn man would have had the class and restraint she demonstrated in 2008 and beyond. She was accused of "holding out" too long in her quest for the nomination - and why the hell shouldn't she? She did win the damn thing. No male candidate who was winning the number of votes Hillary won would have been asked to end her campaign, as Hillary was. If they have grounds to label her as some kind of power hungry shrew - they need to be honest enough to disclose them.

Thing is - they don't have any reason to call her "ambitious" (meaning it negatively), just as they had no reason to call her polarizing. Those were just buzz words MSM used repeatedly - like propaganda - to try to create a negative opinion about Hillary. Words just words.



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For me, Hillary's ambitiousness is a positive trait. It's what makes me believe 2012 is a real possibility. She isn't one to take her toys and go home. She'll stay in it until she can win it.

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Jen the Michigander wrote:

For me, Hillary's ambitiousness is a positive trait. It's what makes me believe 2012 is a real possibility. She isn't one to take her toys and go home. She'll stay in it until she can win it.



I agree, Jen.  I think it's totally positive.  But when people who are trying to cast her in a negative light use it, they usually are implying that she's power hungry, will stop at nothing, stepping on everyone to get what she wants for her own gratification.  At least that's my take on it.  Ambition is a positive quality, blind ambition is typically used in a negative way, IMO.

I hope you're right that Hillarly's ambition will drive her to run in 2012.  I believe that she does want and deserve to be potus - no doubt for personal satisfaction, but, more importantly, I believe she knows in her heart she is the best person on the planet for the job at this particular point in history.  She seems to truly know herself and her own capability.  And, I think that gives her the confidence and the drive to keep on trying.

 



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What's most important about this article is where it came from. If the National Black Chamber of Congress (or the National Black organization of anything) is getting anywhere near the Hillary 2012 bandwagon, 0 is in serious sht. This wouldn't have happened six months ago.

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freespirit wrote:

Hillary has been the ultimate team player. She campaigned for that POS for potus traveling and speaking way more than he did - in the end. She has done her job, both as NY Senator and as SOS with humility, dignity, expecting no personal exceptions or extras. Please! No damn man would have had the class and restraint she demonstrated in 2008 and beyond.


This is what burns my *ss the most with the Obama supporters that still try to call Hillary polarizing.  I don't know how many of you remember the Carter/Kennedy primary in 1980, but Teddy got his full roll-call vote and when he lost, he picked up all his "toys" and went home.  He didn't do squat for Carter and really had a hand in making sure Carter lost to Reagan.

But Ted was the "Great Lion" of the Dem party? 

I am just so sick of folks demonizing any woman with ambition.  Ambition is what gets things DONE!

 



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Jen the Michigander wrote:

What's most important about this article is where it came from. If the National Black Chamber of Congress (or the National Black organization of anything) is getting anywhere near the Hillary 2012 bandwagon, 0 is in serious sht. This wouldn't have happened six months ago.


i agree and if not for this forum i would have missed this due to the media obsessed with the wedding

 



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freespirit wrote:

I don't like the descriptions of Bill and Hillary -"blind ambition", "ambition that exceeds the skies" "opportunists" For a group that doesn't seem to care for Barack, those are pretty harsh words for the real "first black president" (meaning Big Dawg - of course) coming from the Black Chamber of Commerce. Although their web site says they're "non-partisan", this article would indicate that they are primarily, Pubs. They certainly don't Obama or the Clintons in a very positive light.

I really wish people who refer to Hillary's "ambition", meaning it as an insult, would have the courage and decency to say why they characterize her in this way. While I don't doubt that Hillary's ambitious, in fact, I certainly hope she is, Hillary has been the ultimate team player. She campaigned for that POS for potus traveling and speaking way more than he did - in the end. She has done her job, both as NY Senator and as SOS with humility, dignity, expecting no personal exceptions or extras. Please! No damn man would have had the class and restraint she demonstrated in 2008 and beyond. She was accused of "holding out" too long in her quest for the nomination - and why the hell shouldn't she? She did win the damn thing. No male candidate who was winning the number of votes Hillary won would have been asked to end her campaign, as Hillary was. If they have grounds to label her as some kind of power hungry shrew - they need to be honest enough to disclose them.

Thing is - they don't have any reason to call her "ambitious" (meaning it negatively), just as they had no reason to call her polarizing. Those were just buzz words MSM used repeatedly - like propaganda - to try to create a negative opinion about Hillary. Words just words.


I  agree they are non partisan but they are conservative.  They support both social and fiscal conservatives.
The PUBs and Obots always catorgorize her that way

 



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I thought I remembered something about this organization being conservative, but as I said, I clicked through their web site quickly, and only found that they were non-partisan. However, some of the statements posted on their site regarding the organization sounded conservative to me.

Guess that explains why they don't seem to be too crazy about Obama or Hillary.

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VotedHillary wrote:

 

freespirit wrote:

Hillary has been the ultimate team player. She campaigned for that POS for potus traveling and speaking way more than he did - in the end. She has done her job, both as NY Senator and as SOS with humility, dignity, expecting no personal exceptions or extras. Please! No damn man would have had the class and restraint she demonstrated in 2008 and beyond.


This is what burns my *ss the most with the Obama supporters that still try to call Hillary polarizing.  I don't know how many of you remember the Carter/Kennedy primary in 1980, but Teddy got his full roll-call vote and when he lost, he picked up all his "toys" and went home.  He didn't do squat for Carter and really had a hand in making sure Carter lost to Reagan.

But Ted was the "Great Lion" of the Dem party? 

I am just so sick of folks demonizing any woman with ambition.  Ambition is what gets things DONE!

 

RISE HILLARY RISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 



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I agree with Steve Kornacki of Salon.com in the following:

An awful argument for replacing Biden with Hillary

especially in the following...


[] if the economy is still feeble in '12 and Obama is in peril, I doubt Hillary would want to be his new running mate. As Heilemann noted, it's fair to assume she wants to run in '16, so joining a doomed ticket -- since, again, she'd basically be powerless to help Obama -- could tarnish her standing. Staying away would allow her to emerge cleanly from any Obama '12 wreckage. (For real junkies: A scenario like this played out in New Jersey last year, when Jon Corzine begged Newark Mayor Cory Booker to join his ticket. Booker, who wants to run for governor in 2013, smartly refused. He knew he'd be blamed if Corzine lost.)

The Hillary-Biden talk isn't surprising, given her celebrity and the fact that Biden will turn 74 at the end of 2016. She's clearly a more natural heir to the Democratic throne. But she'll still enjoy that status even if she stays off the Democratic ticket in '12. And she could lose it if she were to join the ticket and then lose.

 

 



-- Edited by Sanders on Wednesday 4th of August 2010 10:48:30 PM

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No way, no how, no VP to The One and Done.  Why should she play second fiddle to the second-rate in order to save the party that treated her third-class?

NO NO ....HELL NO. bleh

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The only thing that will compel zero to run in '12 is his massive ego. He'd best think twice about that, unless he wants his ego completely destroyed!

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