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Sanders · Diamond

Shall we discuss health care reform once again?

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Personally I am sick to death of hcr and plan to vote against anyone who supports or seeks UHC including Hillary

Sanders · Diamond

Let us not get Pres.Obama's failings to affect our view of Hillary and her policy positions and what she strives for and has always strived for.

There are two key things to remember about the distinction between Pres.Obama's approach and what Hillary Clinton had proposed:
1. Pres.Obama's approach is closer to Clinton's Health Care proposal than Hillary Clinton's 2008
2. Hillary Clinton's approach did include cross border competition, opening the plans available to the congress, etc.. and it was LESS expensive (according to expert assessment) and covered MORE people, yet was not universal.

We are no longer in a booming America and I for one do not expect that booming America for a long while. It is a flat world with global competition.

Jobless "recovery" means growth in GDP without new jobs. What does that mean? It means Rich getting richer. It means class gap widening. It probably means more unemployment.

The babyboom generation ended in 1962-63.. which is all about to retire in another 7-8 years.. and at that time, if not before, our Medicare+Medicaid system will be completely bankrupt. There is no choice but to reform as the system WILL fail.

We are stuck in a gridlock in the congress and it is not going to change... as there is no leadership capability at the top to effect that change.

I think we have to recognize the urgency of now (a few years left) and hope that this mess is corrected with something that has a very solid "public health" option which is not on the table at present.

My admiration of Hillary is for everything she stands for and not just her personal appeal. She is for UPLIFTING the downtrodden, reducing the class gaps and especially helping women and children. Her approach would have benefited many and I truly hope that she herself remains committed to her plan (link to Hillary's 2008 Health Care proposal).

My support of Hillary is unlikely to waver as she is completely aligned with the times in her policy proposals.

Again, I do not like the current proposal because it has no public option... and if we mess it up, it changes course completely and does not leave that "urgency" that is so needed to push the congress in the direction of a public option.

-- Edited by Sanders on Wednesday 10th of March 2010 08:43:32 AM

Building 4112 · Moderator

How many of us here have lost or is losing their hospitals? Rural America has been merging
these small hospitals time and time again, and you know what delivery of health services
has not improved, you still have to go the major medical centers out of town, and put your trust in them. You still go to ER for services, and I don't see that trend ending anytime soon.

What did Pelosi say, pass this bill so we can see what's in it? There is the problem, we don't
know, and will not know what the ramifications are until it is passed. And I am like many others who are thinking we didn't do things right with this economic mess, and we don't trust
our grovernment to make decisions. When most Americans do not want this system yet,
I think they should start over and take the issues one at a time. This should have happened
last year, start with pre existing conditons, then opening the system so that you can go out
of state for coverage. Stuff like that should have been done last year, instead they put it
all in a bowl, and it's not jelling as we thought it would.

Regardless, you will have those who can afford $1,700 for four pills to fight MRSA, and
people like us who have insurance, but those meds aren't covered. They are not available
to middle class or to poor people.

Sanders · Diamond

Building 4112 wrote:
How many of us here have lost or is losing their hospitals? Rural America has been merging these small hospitals time and time again, and you know what delivery of health services has not improved, you still have to go the major medical centers out of town, and put your trust in them. You still go to ER for services, and I don't see that trend ending anytime soon.

What did Pelosi say, pass this bill so we can see what's in it? There is the problem, we don't know, and will not know what the ramifications are until it is passed. And I am like many others who are thinking we didn't do things right with this economic mess, and we don't trust our grovernment to make decisions. When most Americans do not want this system yet, I think they should start over and take the issues one at a time. This should have happened last year, start with pre existing conditons, then opening the system so that you can go out of state for coverage. Stuff like that should have been done last year, instead they put it all in a bowl, and it's not jelling as we thought it would.

Regardless, you will have those who can afford $1,700 for four pills to fight MRSA, and people like us who have insurance, but those meds aren't covered. They are not available to middle class or to poor people.

Wow! Meds that expensive and not covered?!! That's crazy! See, this is the class issue in coverage.

There are many women at home who took career break and never got back into workforce. They are totally dependent on healthcare through their spouse and many are in bad marriages because of this.

It has never been explained to us to our satisfaction why they had to go at it all at once. It would have certainly help digest things a lot more if they did one aspect at a time.

BTW, the HC related statements are in progress in the House of Reps -- on C-SPAN right now.

freespirit · Moderator

I agree, Building 4112. The real problem is that we cannot trust our legislators to act in the best interest of the country. Any legislation will be full of hidden pay-offs and concessions to various groups of supporters and contributors. It's too risky to take the "just pass it, then, fix it" approach. Once the bill is signed, it becomes harder to hold people accountable for their positions on the various segments of the legislation.

There are too many points that have not been addressed, including tort reform, drug costs, and outrageous health care charges by providers. The entire bill should be scrapped, and the process started over, imo.

Obama wants to pass some kind of health care. I don't think he cares much whether the American people benefit or nor not. If he can get a bill passed, he can then take credit for "bringing health care reform to America". Then, as his staff has done in the past with jobs data, they will spin everything to make the public believe that this bill is totally meeting all our needs, is paying for itself, it's perfect, and on and on.

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