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This passed with 5 Democrat votes.

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Virginia Senate bills say no to requiring health insurance

By Rosalind S. Helderman |   Washington Post Staff Writer  |   Tuesday, February 2, 2010

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How they voted

The three measures passed by the Virginia Senate on health care Monday -- each on identical 23-17 votes -- were SB 283, SB 311 and SB 417

Northern Virginia senators

Yeas: 1
Charles J. Colgan (D-Prince William)

Nays: 9
George L. Barker (D-Fairfax), Mark R. Herring (D-Loudoun), Janet D. Howell (D-Fairfax), David W. Marsden (D-Fairfax) , J. Chapman "Chap" Petersen (D-Fairfax), Linda T. "Toddy" Puller (D-Fairfax), Richard L. Saslaw (D-Fairfax), Patricia S. Ticer (D-Alexandria), Mary Margaret Whipple (D-Arlington)

Other senators

Yeas: 22
Blevins (R-Chesapeake), Emmett W. Hanger Jr. (R-Augusta), R. Edward Houck (D-Spotsylvania), Robert Hurt (R-Pittsylvania), Stephen H. Martin (R-Chesterfield), Ryan T. McDougle (R-Hanover), Jeff McWaters (R-Virginia Beach), John C. Miller (D-Newport News), Stephen D. Newman (R-Lynchburg), Thomas K. Norment Jr. (R-James City), Mark D. Obenshain (R-Harrisonburg), Phillip P. Puckett (D-Russell), Frederick M. Quayle (R-Chesapeake), William Roscoe Reynolds (D-Franklin), Frank M. Ruff Jr. (R-Mecklenburg), Ralph K. Smith (R-Roanoke), Walter A. Stosch (R-Henrico), Richard H. Stuart (R-Westmoreland), Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-Winchester), Frank W. Wagner (R-Virginia Beach), William C. Wampler Jr. (R-Bristol), John C. Watkins (R-Chesterfield)

Nays: 8
R. Creigh Deeds (D-Bath), John S. Edwards (D-Roanoke), Mamie E. Locke (D-Hampton), L. Louise Lucas (D-Portsmouth), Henry L. Marsh III (D-Richmond), A. Donald McEachin (D-Richmond) , Yvonne B. Miller (D-Norfolk), Ralph S. Northam (D-Norfolk)

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RICHMOND -- Virginia's Democratic-controlled state Senate passed measures Monday that would make it illegal to require individuals to purchase health insurance, a direct challenge to the party's efforts in Washington to reform health care.

The bills, a top priority of Virginia's "tea party" movement, were approved 23 to 17 as five Democrats who represent swing areas of the state joined all 18 Republicans in the chamber in backing the legislation.

The votes came less than a week after President Obama implored Democrats in Washington not to abandon their health-care efforts, urging them in his State of the Union address not to "run for the hills" on the issue.

But the action in Virginia, a state that backed Obama in 2008, could indicate that the president is failing to reassure members of his own party that current reform efforts remain worthwhile. The votes also suggest that Democrats on the state level fear that supporting health-care reform could be politically damaging, and their action could put pressure on members of the state's congressional delegation who have been behind the effort.

"It doesn't make it easier," said Rep. Gerald E. Connolly, who voted for health-care legislation and is one of several Virginia Democrats facing a strong challenge this year.

Each of three similar bills that passed the state Senate on Monday would run counter to legislation passed by both chambers of Congress, which would require all individuals to purchase health care.

The bills were also expected to be approved by the GOP-controlled House of Delegates. Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) said he will review the bills but supports their intent.

"I think the General Assembly is doing what they believe is right for the citizens of Virginia," McDonnell told reporters Monday. "And, like them, I oppose these broad, costly federal mandates that undermine the ability of Virginians to create more access at less cost."

Measures prompted by the Washington debate are pending in at least 29 states, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Proponents of the Virginia measures said Congress would overstep the bounds of its constitutional authority if it required the purchase of private insurance.

"I don't believe someone should be forced to buy something they don't want to," said Sen. Phillip P. Puckett, a Democrat who represents rural Russell County. "It's un-American. And it might be unconstitutional."

Senators will face reelection next year, and each of the Democrats who backed the measures represents more conservative areas of the state, where strong Republican candidates are expected to mount challenges.

Sen. Frederick M. Quayle (R-Chesapeake), the sponsor of one of the bills, said: "Never in the history of this country has Congress mandated that all the citizens of the United States purchase anything. If they can mandate this, they can mandate anything."

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-- Edited by Sanders on Tuesday 2nd of February 2010 10:28:39 PM

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And, so it begins. If we can't control what these reps are doing in DC, then we fight at the state level. I think there are several more states to pass this same legislation.

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WTVR.com  CBS6 Richmond VA

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Virginia Senate votes on health care bills

RICHMOND, Va. - Five Democrats broke with their party Monday to endorse measures that would ban government health care mandates like the one being debated in Congress.

Three identical bills to prohibit Virginians from being required to purchase health care were approved on 23-17 votes in the Virginia Senate, where Democrats have a 22-18 majority.

If approved by the GOP-controlled House, Virginia would be the second state behind Arizona to pass measures in defiance of the proposed federal legislation. Arizona last year approved a similar constitutional amendment, which will be on the ballot in November. (Emphasis added)

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Gov. Bob McDonnell said it is difficult to tell what kind of impact federal legislation would have on Virginia, but he thinks the Senate did the right thing.

"Like them, I oppose these broad, costly federal mandates that undermine the ability of Virginians to create more access at less cost," McDonnell said.

The other Democrats to vote for the measure were: Sens. R. Edward Houck, Spotsylvania; John Miller, Newport News; Phillip Puckett, Russell; and Roscoe Reynolds, Henry.

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So that is indeed the second state to pass something like that. What is impressive is 5 Dems joined in this.

As the states work to nullify the federal move, health care legislation by the Congress gets even more complicated.

Anyway, I wonder what's with passing 3 IDENTICAL bills.  Is that so the House gets 3 chances to vote for it?

-- Edited by Sanders on Wednesday 3rd of February 2010 03:26:02 PM

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One of the critiques in the local paper said this measure was worthless, since the states cannot over ride the federal government. It is mostly posturing, and the people who introduced this bill and are rattling their sabers knows it is posturing. They just need to be able to say they did something to get reelected.

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jdona wrote:

One of the critiques in the local paper said this measure was worthless, since the states cannot over ride the federal government. It is mostly posturing, and the people who introduced this bill and are rattling their sabers knows it is posturing. They just need to be able to say they did something to get reelected.


Yes, jdona, I believe that is accurate.

If on the other hand, a federal regulation passes, and THEN the states take exception to that, that may be a different story.

 



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I have heard talk of civil war, it might come down to it.

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Building 4112 wrote:

I have heard talk of civil war, it might come down to it.



Great, just what we need.  A civil war while the terrorists are planning an attack again on our country before July.

 



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