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Missing Kennedy, Criticizing Obama and Rationing Healthcare (NYTimes 8/23/09)
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Breaking News - McCain's interview on ABC's "This Week"

August 23, 2009, 11:30 AMMissing Kennedy, Criticizing Obama and ‘Rationing’JOSEPH BERGER

That was the Grand Canyon spread out behind Senator John McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential candidate, but the canyon he was mostly asked about on a Sunday morning talk show was that between the Democrats and Republicans on health care.

Interviewed on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” the Arizona Republican lamented the absence of the ailing Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, from the Congressional debate because he has “a unique way” of getting Senators “sitting down at the table and making the right concessions.” He said President Obama is as much to blame as Republicans for the paralysis on the issue because “the president has not come forward with a plan of his own.”

“One of the fundamentals for any agreement is for the president to abandon the public option,” he added, referring to the president’s preference for a government-ruin insurance plan to cover the nation’s 49 million uninsured.

One question he could not escape addressing was the conservative criticism that a public insurance plan would create “death panels” to make decisions about what treatments would be permitted for the elderly and terminally ill. He rejected the term “death panels” — deployed by his running mate, Sarah Palin — but he said language in some bills would have created boards to decide what procedures would be allowed for the terminally sick and dying.

“Doesn’t that open the door to the possibility of rationing?” he asked.

On CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, explained why language about paying for end-of-life counseling had to be taken out of the health care bill the committee is reviewing.

“We were not going to have any of this end-of-life stuff because it scares people,” he said.


 




-- Edited by thebword on Sunday 23rd of August 2009 07:39:43 PM

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You know, I doubt the health care bill is do-able, but people need end-of-life counseling.  I had that discussion with a lawyer when I was making out my will.  You gotta plan for these things.

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Alex wrote:

You know, I doubt the health care bill is do-able, but people need end-of-life counseling.  I had that discussion with a lawyer when I was making out my will.  You gotta plan for these things.




We plan them, not some government panel.

 

I wonder if Kenndey would have been treated at all were he not a senator with great insurance, and most likely, free.

 

 



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Good for McCain for speaking up.  He is right Obama criticizing the Republicans but he doesn't have a plan of his own.  He is trying to stay above the fray but unfortunity he can't do that. There is nothing but confusion over this health care plan.  Who the hell understands this bill or these bills?

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We need to plan for them - if we want to. It's called FREEDOM!

And if and when we decide to plan for them - we need to do so with someone we trust. Not someone with a hidden agenda and balance sheets on the brain. I'm all for government agencies providing the legal documents necessary to create a medical health plan. But that is were government participation in the process should end. No influence should be given - the decision should be made by the individual alone without pressure from an invested party. And let's face it, if the government is running healthcare then it is the one paying for the decisions made in your plan, they the government more financially invested in your decision then anyone else.


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Alex wrote:

You know, I doubt the health care bill is do-able, but people need end-of-life counseling.  I had that discussion with a lawyer when I was making out my will.  You gotta plan for these things.



I think part of the issue is that the counseling that involves living wills, power of attorneys, and hospice care already occurs.  There's no need for more of it.  Every hospital in the country does it as part of standard procedure, as do hospice programs.  As do lawyers when someone comes in to make a will.

The government has no need to be involved with that.  And, when a social worker or a caseworker at a hospital or hospice comes to talk to you about it, you can refuse.  No one should be required to do it.

Its a slippery line.  People need living wills, POAs, etc., but they don't need someone going further than that and reiterating to them that they should not get certain treatments because their case is hopeless, and that they shouldn't get s second opinion because it might waste money. 

Why should they be discouraged from a) getting a second opinion or b) having a treatment that may make them more comfortable or may prolong their life for a little while? 

If the counseling that bill was proposing was going to require that they get second or even third opinions, and guarantee that if they wanted treatment they could get it, then I'd be all for it.

 



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These are very personal decisions that are to be made by the individual when and if they decide to make them.  Yes, it is called freedom . . . freedom of choice.

With this plan, it is almost like the government has "ownership" of your body.  They will decide what they think is "best" based on their "bottom line".

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