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For pundits looking for signs that Hillary Clinton is thinking—just thinking—of perhaps challenging President Obama in 2012, there are suddenly plenty of tea leaves to be read.

Former aides to Bill Clinton are popping up in news stories criticizing the President's performance and making dour predictions about the Democratic Party.

Why else are Clinton loyalists joining the fray other than to soften up Obama for a Hillary left-cross come, say, the summer of 2011, when she cites high unemployment and a country in malaise in deciding to run for President again?

The biggest jolt from the Clinton camp came compliments of Stan Greenberg, who used to poll for President Clinton, and James Carville, the campaign consultant who got him elected.

Their firm, Democracy Corps, put out a new poll that showed Republicans leading Democrats 48%-42% in the race to control the House of Representatives. It showed Democrats trailing Republicans on almost all economic issues. It showed Obama with the sinking job-approval number of 45%. Voters think, by big majorities, he is a big spender and too liberal.

In a Financial Times article headlined "Obama faces growing credibility crisis," no fewer than two ex-Clinton aides help back up the headline.

“If you ask me where the silver lining is for President Obama, I have to say I cannot see one,” Bill Galston, a former Clinton official, tells the Times. “Just as BP’s failure to cap the well has been so damaging, Obama’s failure to cap unemployment will be his undoing. There is nothing he can do to affect the jobless rate before November.”

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“The bottom line here is that Americans don’t believe in President Obama’s leadership,” says Rob Shapiro, another former Clinton official, in the Times story. “He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he is a leader who can command confidence and, short of a 9/11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can’t think of how he could do that.”

Got it? Clinton loyalists are telling reporters Obama is a Socialist in the eyes of Americans and he is powerless to turn things around.

The President has plenty of critics for his handling of the BP oil gusher. But it is noteworthy that former Clinton people are as nasty as the rest.

"President Obama's address to the nation from the Oval Office was, to be frank, vapid," blogged former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich on Salon.com. "If you watched with the sound off, you might have thought he was giving a lecture on the history of the Interstate Highway System. He didn't have to be angry but he had at least to show passion and conviction. It is, after all, the worst environmental crisis in the history of the nation."

Carville is perhaps the most outspoken Obama oil-spill critic on TV. On CNN and ABC, he has painted the President as inept, not wanting to be bothered by an environmental disaster so he left the fix up to BP.

"The political stupidity of this is just unbelievable," Carville said. "The President of the United States could have come down here. He could have been involved with the families of these 11 people [killed in explosion]. He could have demanded a plan in anticipation of this. He just looks like he's not involved in this. You've got to get down here and take control of this. Put somebody in charge of this and get this thing moving. We're about to die down here."

It would be naive to think that the 2008 bitter Obama-Clinton primary battles, ones that had her red-faced husband lecturing reporters, have not left sour feelings. Obama dealt with it by bringing her onboard. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Recently, pundits have noted some daylight between the President and the secretary. She talked in an interview of the importance of good fiscal policy to keep America strong—a perceived shot at the President and the burgeoning debt. While the White House sniped at Gen. Stanley McChrystal in Afghanistan, the secretary of State stood by him.

While Clintonites pile on Obama, the President keeps trying to keep them close. He just named Jacob Lew, a former Clinton aide who went with Hillary to the State Department, as his new budget director. The White House called in an aide to the former President recently to discuss his 2010 campaign schedule.

There was a good reason. Clinton had just endorsed a Democrat for the U.S. Senate from Colorado. It was not the man Obama wanted.

Former Clinton adviser turned Hillary-watcher Dick Morris said on Fox News that Hillary still wants the presidency more than anything else in the world.

Morris wrote in June, "As always with the Clintons, the signs are made evident by a carefully choreographed two-step in which they fill their separate roles, one as an outsider and the other as a loyal insider with the Obama Administration. But never doubt that everything these two do is coordinated and orchestrated."

Mark Larson, a popular conservative talk show host in San Diego, has been watching the Clintons for years.

"I think she knows very well what is happening and could happen," he told HUMAN EVENTS. " Still being the 'good soldier' as secretary of State, but she has to know that if Obama continues down this disaster path that even her biggest detractors would welcome her back, giving fresh consideration to a candidacy. So much of what conservatives feared about Clinton is nothing in comparison to the actions, behavior and spin in this administration."

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I don't believe this crap for an instant. Its just another "watch out for the Clinton's conspiracy" games, they can't win for losing. As far as the media and the Clinton haters go, every single thing they do and say is an evil, below the belt, back stabbing power grab by power hungry corrupt career politicians who have nothing but their own self interests as a goal. Its the same old "vast right wing conspiracy", only now it also includes the so called Obama progressives that are really more like retro viruses instead of progressives.

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Yep! jdona, you're spot on!!

And no, they are not strategizing. The article cannot wait to cast the Clintons as calculating mercenary... whatever. 

The likes of Dick Morris can go to hell for all I care. Dick never really cared for Hillary and always knew that she has the best political brain he has come across - well, she hired him to strategize for Bill Clinton's governor's race in Arkansas.  Loyalty is something he is not familiar with.   I bet she did not agree with all of Dick's hot-head ideas for Bill Clinton and probably she turned out to be correct!!

Yes, Hillary does indeed have a great sense of loyalty.  But her first allegiance is to the United States. She loves this country with all her heart and she works till the moon comes home for this country... so if the POTUS ratings continue to fall, or even stay where it is at right now, I expect she will run.  That is simply good citizenship.

Some of the questionable Clinton supporters of 2008 (those who joined the Clinton movement late in 2008 but mostly campaigned for Clinton supporters to support McCain) have already started sprinkling questions wondering how many of the 18Million will support Hillary if she runs again.   That question itself is a telling one on who they are!

If she runs, I expect that Hillary will get far more votes than 18M given the increase in her ratings including among Dems.

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Amen about Dick Morris, and most of the conservatives who are putting out an article a minute about Hillary's momentum. The Pubs are behind a whole bunch of the "Run Hillary Run" articles, and they'll turn on her and Bill in a heart beat. I don't buy for one sec that they're pro-Hillary as some would try to imply. Anything they say positive about either Clinton is a set up and for an ulterior motive - one which is not to benefit the Clintons.

As far as people "piling on Obama" how the hell can anyone avoid it when he screws up as much as Obama does.

I don't trust the far left or far right, especially when they say something positive with regard to Hillary. They'll wait until the right moment, and then accuse her of being a power hungry back stabber - just as they did in 2008. These sexist pigs would apparently rather see Attila the Hun as potus than Hillary. CDS is so pervasive among some in the conservative movement that their mindset defies rationality. The far right tried to use her in 2008, and they'll do so again - anything to further their agenda and to screw over a Clinton.

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Calm down folks...this is from anything but FREE Republic...did you REALLY expect anything else from them since they are now reaching for straws to protect "The One"?

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Not really, VH. However even some of the more hard core Obamanuts have begun to come to their senses. Guess it's giving them too much credit to think that all the nuts are seeing the light.

That article did nothing to debunk the fact that Obama is not doing a good job for the country - nor is he helping the Dem Party at all ( not that I give a damn about that anymore). This author's total purpose was to slam the Clintons. The numbers he reports obviously make the case that Obama needs to be challenged - unless the only interest you have is in serving Obama, as seems to be the case with this author. Damn, if the facts and figures mean anything, it would seem that a loyal Dem (even a progressive like the author) would want someone to challenge him. Looks like whether the Clintons have anything to do with it or not - Barack's goin' down.

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Seriously, we all knew this was coming.  It was why so many of us didn't want Hillary to accept the SOS position even though we knew she would be great at it.  His failure is going to be blamed on her period.

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While I have some concern on that, VH, I think the public especially the Dems who adored her opponent have come to see Hillary in new light.. as a fantastic performer that she truly is. So, if they try to blame her, it aint gonna stick with the left base, is my thinking...

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Sanders wrote:

While I have some concern on that, VH, I think the public especially the Dems who adored her opponent have come to see Hillary in new light.. as a fantastic performer that she truly is. So, if they try to blame her, it aint gonna stick with the left base, is my thinking...


NEVER going to happen.  These are the same folks that think Carter was a great POTUS.  They will never own up to their mistake....Dukakis and Kerry are prime examples.

 



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First of all I do not give a damn what his poll numbers are Hillary will not primary Obama because that is political sucide and she knows it.
He was right she wants this more then anything but she is looking at 2016 however not 2012.  I think she may be preparing for 2012 incase he doesn't want to run but if he runs she will not. 


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