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Jen the Michigander · SuperModerator

Things that make you go 'hmmm...' (The Confluence 4/1/10)

Eminence · Platinum

This was a good article, Jen. I remember reading it over at the Confluence a few days ago, I'm glad you posted it here.

And yes, it does make you go "Hmmm" at the thought of if this was Hillary's way of disagreeing with the Obama's stupid Stupak Executive Order.

Go Hillary! She's the only one. :)

freespirit · Moderator

Eminence wrote:

This was a good article, Jen. I remember reading it over at the Confluence a few days ago, I'm glad you posted it here.

And yes, it does make you go "Hmmm" at the thought of if this was Hillary's way of disagreeing with the Obama's stupid Stupak Executive Order.

Go Hillary! She's the only one. :)

I agree. I believe she was definitely expressing her disapproval - and rightly so. Glad there's someone women can count on.

Sanders · Diamond

Jen the Michigander wrote:
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Methinks our girl is not happy with Obama's cave-in to Stupak. Me also thinks we're seeing the beginning of the chess game we have all been anticipating.

For sure!

As usual, she was careful to take ownership of her statement.

And, we know the statement has come under scrutiny as not being the country's position - she did not make it the country's position. She opened it with "You know I have always been . . . " or something along those lines. VERY clever. She anticipated a question of that kind someday and from somewhere.. and it was tremendous that the opportunity to give her viewpoint came so quickly after President Obama Executive Order.

Frankly, Pres.Obama was not at all happy to sign it.

Notice that the President of NARAL who will benefit greatly personally (family-wise) from the HCR bill passing has written an article with her quandry on the situation. NARAL hates the situation that President Obama signed the EO.... DESPITE THE FACT that the EO does NOT expand beyond the existing Hyde Act. WHY you as? Well, President Obama CAMPAIGNED to undo the Hyde Act, which is the one reason why he won NARAL support over Hillary. Now we know the rest of the story.

I will find that article by NARAL's President and post it here. It was sometime last week and was in RCP. I'll find it.

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Here is Kate Michelman's article. Sorry, she is not the current President. She is President Emerita.

Victory's Cost: Healthcare and Abortion Rights

Kate Michelman is President Emerita, NARAL Pro-Choice America and author of "With Liberty and Justice for All: A Life Spent Protecting the Right to Choose."

I think that article is good enough to start a separate thread... So, let me do that.

-- Edited by Sanders on Monday 5th of April 2010 11:41:57 PM

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Bull**** Obama was happy to sign that order he never was Pro Choice. He is a sexist. He is pretending he is not a sexist pig. He can never get away with anything from women because of 2008. He played the gender card.
I am still not sure on Hillary's position is on this disaster of a health care plan.

Jen the Michigander · SuperModerator

If I were Hillary, my main position on this disaster of a health care plan would be "Thank God my fingerprints aren't anywhere near this clusterfck!"

Sanders · Diamond

Hillarysmygirl16 wrote:
Bull**** Obama was happy to sign that order he never was Pro Choice. He is a sexist. He is pretending he is not a sexist pig. He can never get away with anything from women because of 2008. He played the gender card.
I am still not sure on Hillary's position is on this disaster of a health care plan.

I agree with most of what you are saying.

As to Obama signing the EO... he postponed it all he can. On that Sunday, Stupak had a press conference scheduled for noon which he canceled. I immediately knew something was up. At that time, Pelosi still had only 209 votes at best. Notice that in the end, the Senate bill passed in the House with 219 votes and they needed 216; but Stupak bloc still had 5-6 votes. So, this bill was not going to pass without Stupak bloc. So, Obama met with them as a group and explained his perspective on how he views the bill as a pro-life bill in so far as it provides health care to so many more and that there is no explicit language to counter-act the Hyde Act. (Some of the concerns had come from the fact that he himself had campaigned to overturn the Hyde Act.) Then, Stupak and others in his team agreed to vote for the bill. He then scheduled a conference for 4pm. By 4:30pm, it was clear that the entire remaining Stupak bloc was voting on the bill. Obama only gave the assurance that he would sign the EO if the bill passed but he released the text of the EO on Sunday itself -- a move that I have not seen before... release of an EO text many days before it is signed. It was a forced move because without that assurance Stupak was not going to vote for the bill. Then, when the bill passed and the Reconciliation bill passed the Senate a few days later after all the hoopla, Obama was not exactly proud of the EO which is why it was signed in private event - he also did not want to further emphasize who are the Dems that caused that to be signed. He did not want to emphasize that coalition at all... because he wants to distance himself from it. This is why we only saw press release photos of that event. [which is not the only such event that we get photos from the WH].

Yes, 2008 proved he is very sexist.

But NARAL pointed out to me when I called them in 2008 that Obama had a MUCH higher rating on pro-choice position than Hillary! In the article that I gave the link for above, Kate Michelman points out that Obama campaigned to overturn Hyde Act, and I bet that is one of the factors that resulted in Obama having that higher rating. In fact, Hillary's position is very moderate on this matter by comparison. Yet, it is a liberal position on social scale.

It is still unclear on where exactly Hillary is parked on the HCR. I can see her being happy that some reform passed... particularly if it might make it easier to implement what she had in mind.

Meanwhile, one of the things I am interested in is to go over Hillary's platform HCR plan and highlight all the things that have not been included in the bill that has passed. If any of you has done this exercise, please share the result. Thanks.

-- Edited by Sanders on Wednesday 7th of April 2010 11:42:32 PM