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Oh Please!!!! Let the no votes stand firm today. I only hope out of those 37 that are undecided....they decide that this bill cannot pass as it stands and opt to vote no. I would rather go without the HCR bill for now than to have it forced down our throats as it stands.

Lord Please.......for once, let them listen to the PEOPLE!!!

The ads are running non-stop here for folks to call Altmire's office and stick by his previous vote of NO.

God, I hope he is listening to us.

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This needs to fail  and fail now. I might as well post what I think is this bill here, gtg and haven't seen it anywhere else here - thing is a monster in every sense of the word:

http://budget.house.gov/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=1752

it's in pdf format.

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Holy, Moly, Canoli!! LOL
This monster is 2309 pages long.  At 2098 pages begins the STUDENT LOAN REFORM!!!  Section numbers overlap and have no meaning in their overlap.  If I presented anything remotely like this, I would be fired! LOL.

Well, I am dredging through it.  God help!  LOL.

If anyone finds a succinct summary out there, we need it.  Please post. I have lost my source links for the comparative as I no longer have access to a site where I had saved it last Fall. So, if you have it, please post. Thanks.  Meanwhile, I will try to recall where it was and search for it.. There were 3 comparatives; I expect that the sources will have updated their comparative table for this bill with an additional column.  One of them sources where the comparative was published was New York Times.   I have kid duty so cannot do the wild search now.. but will once I get free-er.



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I think they do have the votes except for one person who was absent yesterday and she was one who had voted yes before and they need her vote today.

Yesterday's speech by Pres.Obama was quite effective in convincing more Dems.. It was one of the most heart-felt speeches I have ever heard from the President.


If the Bill passes, I hope they continue to work on it to improve it and especially to include public option... in the years to come.

If it does not pass, it is likely dead Bill for the next 3 years.. and possibly no Dem will dare touch it in 2012; and it may stay unaddressed for 2016, when the only person likely to have the real gumption to propose something anywhere close to UHC is going to be Hillary Clinton. 

Everyone is talking about rates going up under this plan. I think people are missing the point; rates will go up AT A RATE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN IF IT DOES NOT PASS.

Yes, I am confused as hell on the overall cost of the plan. 

In reading the bill, I am not too concerned about the things being created. There is a major effort there to curb insurance companies and some closer look at doctor-owned hospitals to prevent "conflict of interest" (my words) in how they prescribe "care/diagnostics/treatment" (my words).

As to the process, the reconciliation bill is being passed first and then the Senate bill, so more Dems are comfortable with the Senate bill as the reconciliation is a given already.  The reconciliation fixes bill has to go to the senate but is protected from filibuster in the senate; more than 57 senators have signed paper committing to pass it. So, that is quite in the clear.

Very likely that this is going through today... may be tomorrow on reconciliation bill through the Senate.

I think the next step is to focus on what additional changes we want to see.  Ahead of that, I hope we can get a real condensed version of the bill+conciliation. I am still looking for it.... If you find it, please post. Thanks.