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Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Should Hillarysworld Defend All Women from Sexism? Discussion Thread

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

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Building 4112 · Moderator

I'm shattered too. Your ideal is a good one, and I suggest whatever we come up with we've got to move aggressivley and quickly. I very much agree with the emphasis on sexism!

-- Edited by Building 4112 on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 06:18:11 PM

Sanders · Diamond

Fact-based, well-sourced criticism is acceptable to me. But when spurious questionably sourced information is strung together and presented in a way to simply take advantage of a person's gender and people's bias towards that gender, it is simply wrong.

At present, I am more interested in defending Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Jennifer Gresholm (MI) and perhaps even Martha Coakley against any sexist attacks.

I hope to see some well written articles in The New Agenda, Hillaryis44 and even Sarah Palin sites. How much Palin sites side with Hillary will be something I will closely observe.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

Hell if I can defend Obama against racism I seem to be the only black person doing that and I didn't vote for the fool I guess I can defend Edwards and McKaskle I am just tired of defending people who hurt Hillary. She is the one person in the world who has been batttered and gets right up. She is my Shero.

Sanders · Diamond

I am tired of defending people who hurt Hillary. That includes Sarah Palin supporters and Sarah Palin if she does not stand with Hillary on the matter of sexism and unsourced trash books.

-- Edited by Sanders on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 07:16:19 PM

Building 4112 · Moderator

I am quoting you on that Sanders, and I've had 40 years of being tired.

freespirit · Moderator

I totally agree with the standard of defending women against sexism - only. I think the New Agenda raised this same question some months ago, taking the position that as offensive and distasteful as Nancy Pelosi is, true feminists would have an obligation to defend her against sexism. I absolutely agree with this, though I would sooner break my own fingers than to type one word of positive commentary about this wretched, poor excuse for a woman - Pelosi.

Defending a woman against sexism is one thing. Endorsing her as a political candidate or political figure would depend entirely on merit. While I would like to see more women in political positions, there are obviously, women who are not worthy of support, and who, if elected, would not choose to further the cause gender equality - Pelosi, MO, and McCaskill are among that group.

Sanders · Diamond

feespirit, I hear you. We have a lot to think about in the coming days in where exactly we plant our flag and for what reasons.

-- Edited by Sanders on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 09:06:24 PM

freespirit · Moderator

Sanders wrote:

feespirit, I hear you. We have a lot to think about in the coming days in where exactly we plant our flag and for what reasons.

-- Edited by Sanders on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 09:06:24 PM

Yes we do. While most of us truly would prefer to support women candidates, gender is not necessarily the most important criteria - for me, at least. I would want to share at least some political views with the candidate - particularly the views about which I feel most strongly. I would want to be relatively certain that the election of a particular female politician would actively benefit the women's rights effort - not simply by virtue of the fact that one more woman was in office. There are some women, as we have noted, who actually will make it harder for women to advance, and who will not fight for gender equality. In addition to ascertaining the acceptability of the female candidate, taking into consideration the above noted concerns, and others, I would want to honestly compare the female candidate to any other candidates running against her. If a male candidate seemed more likely to support the policies and issues that I strongly support, including, of course, gender equality - I would seriously consider voting for that male rather than the female.

Women should support and help other women - but, obviously, common sense must be applied in determining when such support would actually be disadvantageous to other women and to the cause of women's rights, in general.

Sanders · Diamond

For me, the MOST important criterion is LEADERSHIP and that includes standing up for principles and being true to a life of principles.

Leadership includes being able to motivate people with your words, actions, alignments. It includes standing up for the downtrodden, the poor, and the women facing sexism. It includes people simply coming looking for you wherever you are because you care, you inspire and you stand up for the principles time and again, regardless of which side of the political party fence you find yourself.

I expect a lot from those who aspire to be Presidents. We should. Otherwise, we end up with a teleprompter reader who does not know how to speak from the heart nor connect the dots on things that matter to the country.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

I know that I will defend any woman against sexism but for real sometimes they need a little pinch. I know how annoyed I always was when Republican women got attacked and NOW just got silent.

Sanders · Diamond

Geez, HMG, I do more than pinch to try to activate people to do their fair share in countering sexism. Often, they do not see it as that, rather as pushing Hillary's case!
It does not matter that I speak up 10 times more for Sarah Palin in the same place.. you better not speak up on sexism for Hillary!

There is no solidarity except from the side of Hillary supporters making overtures towards all others. There comes a time when we have to say why bother when there is so much to do for our Hero.. and so little mutuality in the equation. Yes, it is not what our leader has taught us... but still, we have to recognize the dynamics out there.

-- Edited by Sanders on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 10:50:02 PM

VotedHillary · Platinum

here is the thing...Tina Fey said it best in her "bitch is the new black" skit on SNL..."women no longer feel the need to support a candidate just because she is a woman....they feel free to support whoever Oprah tells them to."

I am done with rewarding bad behavior from whatever front it comes. And I will not break my back defending anyone who allows sexism, racism, homophobia etc. to be OK as long as it isn't being done to them.

You want me to cover your back....then start covering the backs of others suffering your same exact fate.

And yes, Sanders....this ADD brain of mine finally figured out my password here!

Jen the Michigander · SuperModerator

I think we do need to defend all women from sexism because the stakes are just too high to allow all these pigs to get away with it. No, Elizabeth Edwards is not my favorite person in the world. But if "journalists" can get away with attacking her in such a vicious manner, then it empowers them to continue their attacks on all women. Elizabeth Edwards isn't even a politician, so there's no justification for the assaults on her character, which I heard are the worst in the entire book, even worse than what they did to Hillary.

-- Edited by Jen the Michigander on Wednesday 13th of January 2010 12:59:18 AM

Sanders · Diamond

VotedHillary wrote:
here is the thing...Tina Fey said it best in her "bitch is the new black" skit on SNL..."women no longer feel the need to support a candidate just because she is a woman....they feel free to support whoever Oprah tells them to."

I am done with rewarding bad behavior from whatever front it comes. And I will not break my back defending anyone who allows sexism, racism, homophobia etc. to be OK as long as it isn't being done to them.

You want me to cover your back....then start covering the backs of others suffering your same exact fate.

And yes, Sanders....this ADD brain of mine finally figured out my password here!

LOL!! I have been wondering where the heck you have been!!

Girl, I have missed you! It is truly a pleasure to read your blogs.

Spot on! That's where I am coming from in saying I better start seeing some real voice from Sarah Palin and her supporters in the matter of sexism.. and some solidarity towards the sisterhood. I am not going to just assume it is going to come and keep supporting.. Got to start seeing it rather quickly here. LOL.

Hillarysmygirl16 · Administrator

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