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TOPIC: When Liberal Leaders Confront a Centrist Nation (RCP 08.13.09)


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When Liberal Leaders Confront a Centrist Nation

By Michael Barone

There are more conservatives than Republicans and more Democrats than liberals. That's one of the asymmetries between the parties that helps to explain the particular political spot we're in. The numbers are fairly clear. In the 2008 exit poll, 34 percent of voters described themselves as conservatives and 32 percent as Republicans; 39 percent described themselves as Democrats but only 22 percent as liberals.

It's been this way for a long time. The premise of John Kenneth Galbraith's "The Liberal Hour," published in 1960, was that conservative politicians wanted to identify themselves as liberals, as supporting Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, when it came time for elections.

But as in his description of the economy in "The New Industrial State," Galbraith was telling us how things had been, not how they would soon be. By the late 1960s, with riots blazing in big cities and rebellions roaring on university campuses, the balance shifted away from liberals and toward conservatives.

The result is that the two parties have offsetting political advantages. Democrats tend to win on party identification. Republicans tend to win on ideology. Democrats don't have to appeal to as many independents as Republicans do. Republicans don't have to appeal to as many moderates as Democrats do.

But the Democrats have a problem here. The party's leadership currently tilts heavily to the liberal side. Barack Obama is from the university community of Hyde Park in Chicago. Speaker Nancy Pelosi is from San Francisco, and important House committee chairmen are from similar "gentry urban" locales -- Henry Waxman from the West Side of Los Angeles, Charles Rangel from a district that includes not only Harlem but much of the Upper West Side of Manhattan, Barney Frank from Newton, Mass., next door to Boston.

Of the 21 top leadership members and chairmen, five come from districts carried by John McCain, but the average vote in the other 16 districts was 71 percent to 27 percent for Obama.

All these Democratic leaders understand that their home turf tilts far left of the rest of the nation. But a politician's political base is ultimately his or her reality principle. Moreover, most of these leaders -- though Obama obfuscated this in his campaign -- have strong, long-held convictions that are well on the left of the American political spectrum.

These are the people -- the House leaders more than Obama, surprisingly -- who have shaped the Democrats' stimulus package, cap-and-trade legislation and health-care bills. The rules of the House allow a skillful leader like Pelosi to jam legislation through on the floor, although she's had more trouble than expected on health care. But their policies have been meeting resistance from the three-quarters of Americans who don't describe themselves as liberals.

Republican leaders tend to come from mostly suburban districts closer to the national political average. Of the 19 lawmakers who are in the GOP's House leadership or who are ranking committee members, four come from districts carried by Obama. The average vote in the other 15 districts was a less-than-landslide 57 percent to 41 percent for McCain. Only three of those districts voted more than 60 percent for McCain.

In these circumstances, the Republicans have been winning the battle for public opinion and, more importantly, for public enthusiasm -- in sharp contrast to 2008. Democrats complain that Republicans have no alternatives on health care or other issues. Actually some of them do, but no one is paying any more attention to them than people did to Democratic proposals four years ago, when Republicans held the White House and congressional majorities.

The exit poll showed that though the Republican label had lost support since 2004, conservatives did not lose their edge over liberals. The health-care debate has shown that the economic distress caused by the financial crisis and recession has not, at least so far, moved significant numbers of Americans to change their views on the proper balance between markets and government.

"I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking," Barack Obama said on a campaign stop in Virginia on Aug. 6. "I want them just to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess."

When a politician tries to stop debate, it's a sign he's losing the argument. Obama seems to have let the House Democrats overplay their hand. He ignored the fact that in our system neither party ever has all the advantages.

 

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I just saw something that said only a quarter of Indies favor FOTUS' healthscare plan.    That's definitely a sign of moderates revolting against leadership that is too liberal.  biggrin

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There are other problems with this administration than their ideology. They're incompetent, they're inconsiderate, they're elitist, they're corrupt, they're disorganized, they're irresponsible (especially where money is concerned), they're un-American, and they're just downright nasty.

Hillary, after all, is more liberal than 0 on health care. But she actually knows what she's doing, she actually cares about poor people who can't afford insurance, and she would be able to get the job done right.

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I still think those Blue Dogs including Spector are going to revolt they are actually listening to their constitents and Spector is getting hit hard so I expect him to change his vote.  He is up for reelection next year.

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Jen the Michigander wrote:

There are other problems with this administration than their ideology. They're incompetent, they're inconsiderate, they're elitist, they're corrupt, they're disorganized, they're irresponsible (especially where money is concerned), they're un-American, and they're just downright nasty.

Hillary, after all, is more liberal than 0 on health care. But she actually knows what she's doing, she actually cares about poor people who can't afford insurance, and she would be able to get the job done right.



Yes, I think so too.  At the very least Democrats would have had my input and some of my support if I hadn't been treated in such a shabby way by them and thus still considered myself a member of the party.  I don't.  I don't respond well to being treated like crap or to those who continue to be elitist, corrupt, incompetent and inconsiderate.  I was ready to support a more liberal federal government in 2008, but not after the corruption and abuse of the BO campaign.  In addition, at this high level of government you need competence and HC had that.  In any case, the media will keep focusing on this ideology issue because they refuse to acknowledge or simply are too dense to understand that people will not support politicians who are dismissive and incompetent.  As a liberal I should be out there helping out the Democrats, instead I'm at home minding my own business.  You don't need to tell me twice that you don't want or need my help.  

 



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I still think there is so much to take into consideration. BHO took over the DNC, and the ones in power, let him. It has changed more into a cult rather than a political party. Comprised of bullies, unions, ACORN, SEIU, etc. They have no real political stand other than to take from others to be equal.

That's a whole bunch of people that we've personally seen in action. They are a threat to our democracy and I'm not sure they've been taken into account. We call them Liberals, but is there more to just "Liberals"?

We've lost so much in our country, especially our Justice Depts. and state legislatures. Look at some of our states where they let anyone and everyone vote, regardless of residence.

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I still think there is so much to take into consideration. BHO took over the DNC, and the ones in power, let him. It has changed more into a cult rather than a political party. Comprised of bullies, unions, ACORN, SEIU, etc. They have no real political stand other than to take from others to be equal.

That's a whole bunch of people that we've personally seen in action. They are a threat to our democracy and I'm not sure they've been taken into account. We call them Liberals, but is there more to just "Liberals"?






Yes, there's something else there besides liberalism. Think about it-- FDR was a liberal, JFK was a liberal, MLK was a liberal, Lyndon Johnson was a liberal, Jimmy Carter is a liberal, Jesse Jackson is a liberal, Geraldine Ferraro is a liberal, Al Gore is a liberal, Bill & Hillary are liberals (or at least center-left on most issues). I'm not saying these people are all perfect or that they've never made mistakes or that my beliefs are exactly the same as theirs. But none of them resorted to the kinds of tactics we've seen from 0 and his minions. They remind me of the oligarchs in Russia more than anything else.

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