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TOPIC: "Three Myths about Political Independents" (The Monkey Cage 12/17/09)


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Three Myths about Political Independents

A prefatory apology: some of the material in here is in previous posts (e.g., here), and all of this material will be very familiar and therefore unexciting to many political scientist readers. But elsewhere, people don’t get it, and so attention must be paid.

The three myths are:

1) Independents are the largest partisan group.

2) Independents are actually independent.

3) Change in the opinions of independents is always consequential.

MYTH #1: Independents are the largest partisan group.
David Brooks recently called them “the largest group in the electorate.” Charles Blow says, “independents are now nearly as large a group as Democrats and Republicans combined.” To be fair, plenty of data appears to support this myth. Here’s the Pollster graph, with data since September 2008:

And here’s a graph from 1952-2008, using the American National Election Study. It shows the historical increase in the number of people claiming to be independents:

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But here is the problem: Most independents are closet partisans. This has been well-known in political science since at least 1992, with the publication of The Myth of the Independent Voter (here).

When asked a follow-up question, the vast majority of independents state that they lean toward a political party. They are the “independent leaners.” Here is the distribution of partisans (who subsequently identified as strong or weak), independent leaners, and “pure” independents, from 1952-2008:

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The number of pure independents is actually quite small — perhaps 10% or so of the population. And this number has been decreasing, not increasing, since the mid-1970s.

MYTH #2: Independents are independents.
The significance of independent leaners is this: they act like partisans. Here is the percent of partisans and independent leaners voting for the presidential candidate of their party:

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There is very little difference between independent leaners and weak partisans. Approximately 75% of independent leaners are loyal partisans.

Here is another example. Based on ABC/Washington Post polls from February-November 2009, I calculated the fraction of partisans, independent leaners, and independents who approve of Obama.1 I also calculated, for the entire set of polls, the percent of the sample who falls into each group. (Click the graph to make it bigger.)

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Again, there is really no difference between partisans of either stripe and independent leaners. As far as their views of Obama are concerned, it doesn’t really matter whether you say you’re a Democrat or an independent who leans Democrats, and the same is true on the other side of the aisle. Only “pure” independent appear to have evenly divided attitudes as of November, but, as above, these people are only a very small part of the sample — 7% overall.

MYTH #3: Change in the opinions of independents is always consequential.
Much ink has been spilled in the last month or so about how Obama is “losing” independents. This is sometimes based on mindless comparisons between the behavior of “independent” voters in the 2008 presidential election and their behavior in the 2009 gubernatorial elections — ignoring, of course, that these are different groups of voters (thanks to variations in turnout) being asked to make a choice between different candidates. But even better comparisons can be misleading.

For one, many claims about the opinions of independents never separate leaners from pure independents. If there is a 15% drop in Obama approval among the entire mass of apparent “independents,” this could mean that there is a drop among independents who lean Republican, independents who lean Democratic, and/or pure independents. Why does this matter? Because the political consequences are different. If Obama loses 15 points among independents who lean Republican, he is losing voters who are unlikely to vote for him in 2012 anyway. But if he loses 15 points among independents who lean Democratic, then he has more serious problems.

Second, movement among “pure” independents is generally less consequential simply because there are so few of these people and because they are less likely than partisans to vote (only 44% of pure independents reported voting in 2008 vs. 82% of strong partisans). If an election was a nailbiter, then the votes of pure independents could provide the margin of victory, but I don’t know of any estimates of how often that is actually true.

With those points in mind, let’s return to the decline in Obama’s approval that is evident in the graph above. The question is: how much of his overall decline is due to declines in each of the partisan groups. Is it really independents who are driving the trend?

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Disagree here with this line:

"If Obama loses 15 points among independents who lean Republican, he is losing voters who are unlikely to vote for him in 2012 anyway."

if these people voted for the marxist in 2008 and now have NO intentions of voting for him 2012, yes this is VERY consequential.

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ssmith, I agree with you. That statement is based on their premise that Independents are partisan when asked to choose... which is not necessarily the case if there is a true third candidate or if they choose to reverse course.

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Sanders wrote:

ssmith, I agree with you. That statement is based on their premise that Independents are partisan when asked to choose... which is not necessarily the case if there is a true third candidate or if they choose to reverse course.




 sanders, perfectly said, I am an independent, I used to be a lifelong democrat until last year, 2008.  Do I believe in some democrat (not socialist or marxist) tendicies, yes , these are mainly social issues.

  But I have realised I am very conservative when it comes to things like fiscal, national security and indiv rights policy.

But even as a pro-choice person, I would abosolutely support sarah palin, to me at least social issues are not that imporant as those 3 conservative issues I wrote above.

And frankly, my voter registreation card just says "Independent", it sure as heck doesn't say "Independent, lean dem/repub"



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Ditto, except, I was always Independent, and mostly voted on the conservative Dem side... but lately been looking for the fiscally conservative and socially moderate proponents on the ballot cards.

I think the last two years have led us to take a closer look at our ideologies and rank order what is first and what is next.

While doing good for and by all people is important, this nation is about individual entrepreneurialism, the land of opportunity.. where motivated hardworking people make a life for themselves. The model is founded on individual excellence and not on communal life.

Often the far left forgets that extending hand for handouts is easy to do and hard to sustain. It does not work when there is no deep pocket to afford the handouts. A nation dependent on alms from the government is doomed to failure.

Independents are fully aware of the situation and are fully ready this time to swing in a different direction.

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I have been Independent for 21 years I don't necessary lean one party or the other. I pretty much back people and not parties.  I think both parties are full of crapola and I pretty much am always proven correct.
I am Conservative in a lot of areas and Liberal in others I am in reality a Libertarian.  I believe in Little to NO government involvement in our lives.

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