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PUMA is still evolving.  Where people feel passionately about issues - and PUMA is nothing if not passionate, there will be minor and even major disagreements.  Regardless of how people feel about Tea Parties, astro-turfing, Glen Beck, and a whole host of smaller issues, one over-riding fact united us in 2008, and holds us together to this day - Hillary Clinton was denied the Democratic nomination due to  the  pre-meditated, deliberate efforts on the parts of some Dem leaders who had pre-selected Obama.  When the Dem party acted with sexism and without regard to the will of 18 million Americans who voted for Hillary, it lost the support of many of us.  We decided then not to give in to the party's demands that we shut-up and get on board with the candidate they gave us.  They forgot that Democracy is about we the people - not them the would-be dictators.

PUMA will remain a force, even with the dissent and vigorous debate that will occur from time to time as we continue to evolve and to revolt.


PUMA is still anti-partisan (and anyone who says otherwise is a liar)

As the current healthcare debate has proven, one of the reasons that it is very difficult to achieve real progress in a two-party system is that most changes require broad consensus across non-partisan and non-ideological lines.
Each party alone includes people from across the ideological spectrum. The Democratic party, for example, includes both relatively conservative and very liberal Democrats -- and many in between. And of course, there are those who hold liberal views on some issues, and conservatives views on others.
Hillary Clinton, for example, found herself attacking Obama from the left on health care and from the right on national security during last year's notorious Democratic primaries. Obama, meanwhile, was attacking Hillary from the right on health care and from the left on the Iraq War.
All this is to reiterate that despite one's partisan affiliation, one's ideology is difficult to neatly categorize especially when dealing with mass groups of passionate Americans.
Because you cannot get 50 million + voters to agree on everything, candidates for national office have to build coalitions that pull from a myriad of sometimes competing ideologies. Crucially, they must also demonstrate ability to steal supporters from the other party and win over voters associated with no party.
It is not an easy task.
One of the most fascinating outcomes of the Democratic primaries was the emergence of the PUMA (Party Unity My A--!) movement, which sprung from the dissatisfaction of a number of Hillary supporters, and with which I was involved from its inception.
The majority of Hillary backers -- like those of any national candidate -- mainly subscribed to her party and her political ideology, but -- like any national candidate -- also included independents, Hillary Republicans, and others from sometimes competing ideologies across the spectrum.
Such was the power of Hillary's leadership that she drew such a broad coalition.
PUMA, as representative and reflective of Hillary's impressively broad coalition, had no choice but to be anti-partisan from its inception. It remains so today.
The partisan affiliation of the majority of individual PUMAs remains Democrat, unaffiliated, and independent -- with a minority of Republicans and others.
The PUMA movement itself is not, however, a partisan tool. Not a tool of the Democratic party. And certainly not, as has been suggested, a tool of the Republican party.
Is PUMA non-ideological? Is PUMA centrist, left-leaning, right-leaning, all of the above, or none of the above? That is more difficult to answer, because ideology is impossible to neatly pinpoint even in one political party, let alone in an organization that draws from a broader, national coalition of the type built by a Presidential contender.
PUMA's ideology -- like those of the Democratic and Republic parties -- is debatable and constantly. evolving.
PUMAs lack of official partisan affiliation, however is not: PUMA is anti-partisan and remains so. Anyone who says PUMA is Democrat-only turf, Republican-only turf, or unaffiliated/independent-only turf is lying.
http://www.examiner.com/x-19823-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m8d30-PUMA-is-still-antipartisan-and-anyone-who-s


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PUMA is still evolving.  Where people feel passionately about issues - and PUMA is nothing if not passionate, there will be minor and even major disagreements.  Regardless of how people feel about Tea Parties, astro-turfing, Glen Beck, and a whole host of smaller issues, one over-riding fact united us in 2008, and holds us together to this day - Hillary Clinton was denied the Democratic nomination due to  the  pre-meditated, deliberate efforts on the parts of some Dem leaders who had pre-selected Obama.  When the Dem party acted with sexism and without regard to the will of 18 million Americans who voted for Hillary, it lost the support of many of us.  We decided then not to give in to the party's demands that we shut-up and get on board with the candidate they gave us.  They forgot that Democracy is about we the people - not them the would-be dictators.

PUMA will remain a force, even with the dissent and vigorous debate that will occur from time to time as we continue to evolve and to revolt.


PUMA is still anti-partisan (and anyone who says otherwise is a liar)

Maybe PUMA will be the NEW IMPROVED Democratic Party - with principles and stuff!wink

As the current healthcare debate has proven, one of the reasons that it is very difficult to achieve real progress in a two-party system is that most changes require broad consensus across non-partisan and non-ideological lines.
Each party alone includes people from across the ideological spectrum. The Democratic party, for example, includes both relatively conservative and very liberal Democrats -- and many in between. And of course, there are those who hold liberal views on some issues, and conservatives views on others.
Hillary Clinton, for example, found herself attacking Obama from the left on health care and from the right on national security during last year's notorious Democratic primaries. Obama, meanwhile, was attacking Hillary from the right on health care and from the left on the Iraq War.

Then O-liar went on the continue the war, just like the military-industrial complex wanted him to, and probably just as he promised them he would!


All this is to reiterate that despite one's partisan affiliation, one's ideology is difficult to neatly categorize especially when dealing with mass groups of passionate Americans.
Because you cannot get 50 million + voters to agree on everything, candidates for national office have to build coalitions that pull from a myriad of sometimes competing ideologies. Crucially, they must also demonstrate ability to steal supporters from the other party and win over voters associated with no party.
It is not an easy task.
One of the most fascinating outcomes of the Democratic primaries was the emergence of the PUMA (Party Unity My A--!) movement, which sprung from the dissatisfaction of a number of Hillary supporters, and with which I was involved from its inception.
The majority of Hillary backers -- like those of any national candidate -- mainly subscribed to her party and her political ideology, but -- like any national candidate -- also included independents, Hillary Republicans, and others from sometimes competing ideologies across the spectrum.


Such was the power of Hillary's leadership that she drew such a broad coalition.

Amen!




-- Edited by Alex on Monday 31st of August 2009 01:22:56 PM

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PUMA Power! WE were the beginning of Country over politics. Patriots, awakened by the primary corruption and committed to taking back our Country from the choke hold the 2 parties have on them.

-- Edited by thebword on Monday 31st of August 2009 02:41:04 PM

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Excellent Article and yes PUMA is still non partisan.  We are not going to agree with each other on everything.  I just wish we would remember what it is we are fighting for.  Non partisan voting for person over party.  We are still PARTY UNITY MY ASS.  That is what we need to focus on.
I think that Obama and the rest of the crooked Democrats want to see PUMA fail.

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thebword wrote:

PUMA Power! WE were the beginning of Country over politics. Patriots, awaken by the primary corruption and committed to taking back our Country from the choke hold the 2 parties have on them.




COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!



Excuse me while I go put my "God Bless America," whose corner I've been trying to get to lay flat, poster up on my office wall!smile




 



-- Edited by Alex on Monday 31st of August 2009 01:53:50 PM

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I really really agree! Thanks for posting Puma Power!

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as a PUMA.. I was a lifelong democrat.. now I will be a lifelong independent.. I don't trust either party.. but I beleive in conservative values such as strong national secutiry, strong fiscal principles.. no judicial activism.. AND MOST IMPORTANT--> RESPECT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!

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ssmith wrote:

as a PUMA.. I was a lifelong democrat.. now I will be a lifelong independent.. I don't trust either party.. but I beleive in conservative values such as strong national secutiry, strong fiscal principles.. no judicial activism.. AND MOST IMPORTANT--> RESPECT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!



I could not have said it better . . . these are my exact thoughts.



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PUMA gives the shot in the arm that America needed. The patriots of this country are now seeing what we saw. And, until now they recognize why we deflected from the democratic party! I think the Independent party has grown three-fold over these last months. I'll bet thousands of dems are now indies.

-- Edited by Kbentleyis on Monday 31st of August 2009 11:48:04 PM

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I just wish PUMAs of all stripes would agree to stop the infighting already. I was reading the comments at one of the latest PumaPac blogs and there was way too much bickering over who is who and what is what. Then there's that whole beef with the Widdershins. Enough! If somebody out there absolutely has to pick a fight with someone online, please find an obot or a wingnut.

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Jen, that is part of the beauty of being PUMA , we will never ALL agree..but I think the very worst of the "in fighting " happens when someone tries to tell us what to think, or do, or tries to pigeon hole us .. If that were going to happen .. we would have been obots ...



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Jen the Michigander wrote:

of the latest PumaPac blogs and there was way too much bickering over who is who and what is what. Then there's that whole beef with the Widdershins...


What a "widdershin"?

 



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Hillary had a wide variety of supporters not just the ones the MSM reported. We must remain together as one strong fist and keep disagreements civil.

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and some people are so obsessed with the infighting they have completely lost sight of the bigger picture .... and I mean completely !!!!!

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Alex wrote:

Jen the Michigander wrote:

of the latest PumaPac blogs and there was way too much bickering over who is who and what is what. Then there's that whole beef with the Widdershins...


What a "widdershin"?

 





The Widdershins is a liberal blog. I believe many of the regulars there used to be regulars at PumaPac until they had a falling out over ideology. You have to read the comments sections at both blogs to really get the gist of what they're fighting about. I'm not involved in any of it myself, nor do I intend to be.

http://thewiddershins.wordpress.com/



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